Wider Frame Grabs

Here’s another frame grab.

In this setup, I used NO LIGHTING whatsoever.  It’s natural only.  No gels on the windows.  That’s sunlight back there.  Look at how much dynamic range there is.  You can see out the windows and into the black of her dress.  As before, this is with a prototype camera that has a few dead pixels that haven’t been corrected.  The noise is also from an uncalibrated sensor, so that will change significantly once that’s done as well.

This was shot with a compact prime, the 25mm at 800 ISO.  There’s a slight milkiness to her dress which I think comes from veiling flare from the hot window to the right of frame, not something that’s unusual in a  high contrast situation like this.

Ungraded frane grab form Resolve

Leah Wide. My Grade

About johnbrawley

Director Of Photography striving to create compelling images
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40 Responses to Wider Frame Grabs

  1. Wow. So with the crop factor the 25mm gave you something closer to a 50mm?

  2. Eric says:

    Very good DR. Looks like somewhere around 13 stops.

  3. vidanaselva says:

    Very nice. Please post more!

  4. vidanaselva says:

    Very good! Please post more.

  5. armorrell says:

    Really gorgeous, what you’re capturing as a range from light to dark!! and this cam is just the baby… wait till
    it grows up!

  6. Berkenntnis says:

    Even the compressed Jpeg is a joy to grade!
    Not only the pure dynamic range, but also the smooth roll off and the camera seems to produce an overall very smooth gradiation.
    This is tuly fantastic.

  7. Brian T says:

    I love the DR this camera is capturing. Sensor calibration, like you said should help with the noise. Looking forward to seeing more– hopefully a CinemaDNG soon ;o)

  8. Now all we really need is a raw clip straight from the camera😉

  9. vidanaselva says:

    I think they will not post raw files until the sensor is calibrated because it would not show the camera’s full capabilities…
    But it would be nice if they did anyway….

    • Aaron Nanto says:

      That is correct – I believe John as already stated that BMD won’t be allowing any raw files to be released until everything is ready to go.

      • shijan says:

        i’m afraid its less because they are turning sensor, and more because marketing – they need somehow keep buzz around their camera till july🙂

  10. Christopher S. Johnson says:

    As a foot note to all of the deserved praise, yes, please let Blackmagic take as much time as they want to calibrate/fix the rainbow colored noise issue. I’ll wait patiently. This isn’t a Panasonic filmy luma noise but a digital feeling color noise. I bet they can address it just fine. Just don’t rush it. Thanks.

    • Dan says:

      Here is my take on the image. Of course this is just from a jpg, and actually pushing the raw data around in the color correction will be much better.

      The noise you mentioned seems to be well handled in my image. I’m just using basic color and some luma noise reduction. I don’t think it’s anything to worry about. I see this stuff in my 5d raw images if a bit of color noise reduction isn’t dialed in (which by default it usually is). Most cameras handle this in camera before compressing to whatever codec is used. The nice thing about shooting raw is that you will be able to choose just how the image is handled in post with more care than the cameras processing engine.

      • Christopher S. Johnson says:

        Your right, your results are better. And perhaps not just from crushing the darks more. The table has less chroma noise. Did you say you used a luma noise reduction?

      • Christopher S. Johnson says:

        Sorry, “you’re” 🙂

      • Dan says:

        I should dial back some of the black. I like John’s edit.

        I used both luma noise reduction and chroma. It’s mostly the chroma noise reduction that’s helping this image. Like I said my 5d shows a similar color noise in LR if the color NR is turned off.

        From what I understand, Resolve has an amazing noise reduction engine. This is why Blackmagic really have something great, because their high end finishing software will be able to handle things like NR so much better than any in camera baked in processing! A raw workflow will be more resource intensive than a more traditional one, but should be well worth it in the end.

      • Brian T says:

        It looks like your noise reduction [perhaps sharpening] added quite a bit of bad noise to her skin.

      • Dan says:

        Yes, the image does start to fall apart after being pushed. That’s par for the course with an 8-bit Jpeg. Of course we all know this camera (thankfully!) doesn’t put out 8-bit compressed files.

        Can’t wait to shoot my own raw images with this camera.

      • Dan says:

        Christopher, here is John’s grade that I added a bit of NR and sharpening. I’m sure BM will tune the sensor even more before it’s released, but this shows that even at this stage it shouldn’t be a huge concern.

      • Christopher S. Johnson says:

        Indeed Dan, thanks. I’m a doc editor and usually use basic three way color tools in FCP 7. What are you using to minus the noise, software-wise? Thank you.

    • Dan says:

      Christopher, I used Adobe Lightroom.

  11. Brad says:

    I really appreciate these posts John. They show the strengths and weaknesses of the camera as it is now (or at the time these images were captured). And I am really impressed with these shots!

    Nikon’s “Joy Ride” shot with the D800 and Canon’s “Mobius” shot with the C300 are poor representations of what those cameras actually are because those are overproduced, highly-budgeted, Hollywood-style projects. You could get those kind of results using plenty of cameras!

    I like these tests, just a guy taking a camera out to play in the real world, well done!

  12. This test reveals so much. Thanks for doing it. We’re ecstatic over here at UC Berkeley. Going to purchase a few of these because of your work / testing and posts.

    Thanks

  13. soufian says:

    Impressive ! What does 800 ISO translate in terms of dB ? Can you choose what type of reading you want on the camera ? Thanks for the post.

  14. josh says:

    I ordere one already…….yeah

  15. Renato Marques says:

    Since we are sharing looks here’s mine:

    Thanks for sharing these tests. I hope there are more to come.

  16. thomas says:

    I own a AF100 and was thinking about buying a C300 – mainly because of DR, Skintones, Colors, Highlight-Handling – the “beautiful” image, the look everybody who has been using it is talking about.
    Jon, can you say something about BMDCC vs. C300? Is the image comparable?
    (I am not interessted in RAW as I am shooting docs – usually about 30-40 hours for each film – that is (still) too much GB for RAW …)

    • Matt says:

      You could shoot in pro-res on the Blackmagic, that would help save space. C300 has a codec (obviously) and a ‘baked-in’ look, but you can shoot Canon log which is pretty flat. Out of the C300, without post, you are going to get skin tones and color that will rival RAW because, again, the look is baked in. Shane Hurlbut compared the C300 to the Arri Alexa on set of King of Thrones (the video now seems to be taken down), and yes, the C300 had a more produced look out of the camera. But the Arri was RAW, had better dynamic range and would color grade much better.

      For fast workflow, doc, run and gun, C300 is better. For cinema, not as much.

      Finally, C300 has already trumped RED, Alexa, AF100 and F3 with its low light ability, so I think it is safe to saw it will trump Black magic with low light ability🙂 lol.

      BlackMagic is a Cinema Camera, not something you are going to shoot tons of docs on, but possibly parts of docs. I could see great interviews coming in high contrast situations with windows, backlight stuff where you pull out the BMDC and shoot. Run and gun, I’d use an FS100 or F3 over C300 because of price, but that is me.

  17. Mike says:

    I know the sensor used for this shot isn´t the final tweak, and I really want this camera to live up to my expectations, but the noise in the table and chairs looks really awful. Lets hope the calibration will sort this out, would be a pain to save all this time in post and still have spend time noise reducing.

    • johnbrawley says:

      Mike. There’s a fundamental difference with regards to noise in RAW images. Most typical dSLR cameras employ a lot of noise reduction behind the scenes that you as a user have no control over. Noise reduction casts…..it reduces the resolution of the image.

      Having a RAW workflow, means you can apply your own recipe for NR in Resolve, the awesome colour correction software included with the camera.

      Get used to seeing images with more noise…that’s what you get…an unprocessed image…at least now you have the choice….

      The noise will also be reduced further once they finish the sensor calibration…something I’ve mentioned several times here…

    • Matt says:

      Ya Mike, my nice 5dmkII in RAW still mode – for stills, the 5dmkII will blow any movie camera, that we can agree – has NOISE! I get to reduce it with my flavor of NR in Adobe Lightroom. And guess what? I get a sharper image that is not smeary.

      BRING ON RAW! yaya

  18. Hi, John. I think the we all want to know and need to know one thing, and one thing only. When the BMD show some raw samples, or even prores in LOG and 709. I know : “Arter the sensor is calibrated”🙂. My every day starts with checking your blog and BMD page to view some news about the camera, if you know something please give us “The Date”. Cheers.

  19. Mike says:

    Thanks John, that sounds reasuring!

  20. amjad says:

    Hi John
    Hope your well.
    no doubt this is an interesting camera, reminds me a bit of the Silicon Imagining 2K cams Danny Boyle used on Slum Dog, i think it’s fundamentally the same, albeit Black magic shocked us with the affordable price.
    I had a listen to the FXguide’s podcast on NAB coverage, I think they mentioned that the camera records in RAWLog/LogRAW which isn’t the same tech spec as raw on DSLR for instance, is that the case with the BMCC? is that why WB is baked into the raw image?
    many thanks
    amjad

    • Brian T says:

      The Blackmagic camera produces cinema raw file. This file differs from that of a DSLR or the Red Cam raw. A typical “raw” file is just sensor data, which need to be converted before viewing. The Blackmagic camera internally debayer/demosaic the sensor data and then bakes it to a 12 bit DNG with an adjusted or “cinema” gamma curve.

  21. navinrblog says:

    Reblogged this on navinrblog and commented:
    Another test footage from John Brawley that’s making me want the Blackmagic Cinema Camera even more…

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